In truth, I’ve enjoyed our dialogue. I tend to be fine with folks expressing various opinions and found the relatively transparent exchange with MH, somewhat refreshing.
Please agree or disagree — just don’t opt to be silent and/or invisible. Many black, white, red and brown people have died to offer us the precious right to voice our opinion.
There is no controversy to be found here folks — just conversations.
Luckie.
o5.14.10
Hi Luckie,
Thanks for taking the time to write.
We do appreciate your comments.
We know inherently that by creating list there is some great material we will miss. This is an unfortunate part about any compilation made, there is always something that slips through the cracks.
Our goal was to include ethnically neutral sites in our search, as you can see from the list , it runs the gambit of social backgrounds, nationalities, and even sites of mixed heritage. We have also developed top lists for multiple different countries, covering a myriad of different blogs in each.
We agree there is a mountain of quality material in the African-American community and we would like to respond to any shortcoming in this area with an exclusive Blog about African-American Genealogy Blogs. I would love if we could speak further to perhaps collect some of your thoughts to put it in the article.
If you would like to be involved with this, either myself or my colleague ___________, will be in touch with you early next week.
Thanks __________ for getting back with me.
I think an article highlighting the genea-community’s African-American contributors is an excellent idea. These researchers more than deserve this! Researching Slave Ancestry is a science unto itself, given the manner in which African-American Ancestors were recorded and/or not recorded, prior to the Civil War period.
However I would like to make some points clear in respect to your comments below:
1. An “ethnically neutral” genealogy blog does not exist. Ethnicity plays a KEY factor in how, what and where a descendant researches. European descendants have a broader range of data to draw from — both in terms of the resources and time periods available. It’s not uncommon for European researchers to identify Ancestry as far back as the 1500s. On the other hand, African-American descendants may be able to successfully trace an Ancestor back to 1865. Any time prior to that — unless the Ancestor was a Free Person of Color — information will have to be sought by identifying the respective slave owner to determine if slave data was recorded and/or preserved. My point? Research paths vary greatly depending upon your specific genetic-ethnic-cultural variables.
2. In your list of the Top 100 Genealogy Blogs, I did not see the mix of “social backgrounds, nationalities, and even sites of mixed heritage” you reference. How can you have both an “ethnically neutral” list and also one that is representative of the diversity your description summarizes?
3. It appears with your reference to the multinational lists you’ve developed, consideration was given to [most] every ethnicity/culture except African-Americans. Why is that?
4. While I do feel an article highlighting African-American blogs is a kind gesture, the truth is the blogs I referenced are not separate from the community of bloggers you listed in your Top 100 — they are a VITAL part of that community and deserve recognition as such.
5. A title of the Top 100 Genealogy Sites implies that you are actually identifying sites based on genealogy/research criteria that would allow them to be deemed as superior in their craft. Being “ethnically neutral” does not factor into being an excellent researcher, nor a viable community contributor. That distinction is and should always be — colorless.
I am more than happy to assist with the effort of the article — just let me know what’s needed.
I do hope in the future My Heritage will invest more effort in presenting a full-view of the online genealogy community. African-American contributors in the genea-space, participate and invest much (myself included). There should be no excuse for their omission when recognition is given.
Best,
Luckie.
Hi Luckie,
Just to follow up on a few of these points (___________ may well have some thoughts too)
We were already interested in doing some posts to highlight specific genealogy sub-groups, and I think doing something on African-American genealogy would be a great way to begin this. One of our ideas was to feature a set of sites dealing with area of African-American genealogy, so we might well be able to showcase a number of the sites you flagged up.
To me, sub-groups in the community are simultaneously part of the community as a whole and part of their own sub-communities (if that makes sense). So African-American genealogy, Jewish genealogy, Latin American genealogy, Americo-Irish genealogy etc all comprise part of the community as a whole, but at the same time face their own specific challenges and feature a particular approach to research and study. This would be the approach our series is taking, rather than to say that these sub-groups are in some way separate to the community as a whole.
We could definitely do with a hand when it comes to covering the African-American article(s) on this, so we’ll no doubt be in touch about that. Thanks for your offer of assistance here.
To respond to a few of your points very quickly (it’s Friday night in the UK and I’m about to go out!)
- I think there’s been some misunderstanding on our part in the terminology we’ve used here, and it probably wasn’t explained adequately by us. When we say ‘ethnicity-neutral’, we mean that was the approach we took in our research, and not that we were looking for blogs that took a non-ethnicity standpoint. So I think we’re actually on the same page here in saying that any selection should be ‘colourless’ – it shouldn’t be a modifying factor. And in my view almost every blog will be (consciously or unconsciously) approaching their work from a particular ethnicity/nationality standpoint – it’s hard to avoid it, the only difference is some are aware of it, and others aren’t!
- The comment on multinational lists refers to the sites we awarded in other countries. Some of these are not yet live, although we have compiled lists of winners for (among other languages) French, German, Spanish, Portuguese, and Polish. So when we say ‘multinational’ in this sense we mean we were covering a number of different genealogy countries, although our language capabilities only took us so far here!
Personally, I do agree that there are great sites out there from many perspectives and viewpoints, and that’s what we aimed to encompass in these lists. We did include some African-American blogs in the list, and we also tried to represent diversity more broadly. We had competing concerns such as nationality (we wanted to feature not only American sites, but Canadian, English, Scottish, Irish, Australian), as well as sites dealing with different subject matter (not only blogs but family sites, one-name studies, tools/resources, and so on). In the end there were only a limited number of sites we could include, but we tried to make the list representative all the same. Perhaps we could have done better, but this isn’t something we neglected, and I want to reassure you that we do always try to be as inclusive as possible in our work. It’s an important part of what we do, since our site encompasses so many different cultures, as does our company as a whole.
There are definitely other great African-American sites out there, however, and I agree it would be a shame not to showcase the talent and effort that’s gone into them. So hopefully you’ll appreciate our offer to write up some new pieces showcasing African-American genealogy, and to showcase some of the sites you’ve mentioned. Our new blog is now one of the most subscribed in the geneasphere, so we should be able to get these sites some great coverage, and it’d be a nice way to give some depth to the area – to look at the detail rather than just to name them as sites.
Please let us know your thoughts on this. This is an important area to us, otherwise I wouldn’t be getting back to you at 9.30pm on a Friday (UK time)!
Anyhow, have a great weekend and hopefully we can work together on this future African-American genealogy project!
Take care,
__________
Luckie,
I think __________ touched on most of your points but wanted to touch base to let you know i’ll be available this weekend if you have any further questions!
Please excuse my poor phrasing of ‘ethically-neutral’, ___________ correctly addressed this as our decision to allow all micro genealogical elements to exist as body constituent of genealogy, the focus was on genealogy as whole, not particular to any sub groups.
Again, we appreciate your feedback as it helps us learn as we go forward.
Have a wonderful weekend and we look forward to working with you and help give some much deserved attention to these blogs by drilling down in depth on some of the great sites we missed in the community .
Be well,
05.15.10
Good Morning! I am forwarding a communication that I received from ________________ at My Heritage. My apologies, I intended to get it to you yesterday but got pulled away with CoAAG events and such.
The dialogue is healthy and necessary. I do think some aspects of the discussion could be attributed to a difference in culture — US vs. UK. However that said, I do believe if you are doing business in the US Market, you must also be sensitive to its cultural nuances.
_________ — Being considered a “sub-group” is EXACTLY our historical issue in the United States. African-Americans have fought not to be a “sub-group” of US Culture but to be acknowledged as the valuable contributors we are — and have always been — to the whole.
As you can gauge from the feedback — and there is more — we are in agreement that the aspect of identifying “ethnically neutral” blogs has negative connotations that don’t rest well with any of us.
What’s the solution? I don’t know. While no one is against the crafting of an article featuring African-American genealogy contributors we all share the same sentiment — inclusion should have been made in the initial blog list.
I would ask that you go a step further in addressing this private dialogue in the public forum, because the message that our exclusion sends — for whatever reason — is not one that I am comfortable leaving as is. It should be addressed — either by My Heritage and/or one of the contributors expressing concern via this communication.
As I said, the dialogue is good and you have my support for the dedicated feature, but let’s find a means of putting this discussion to rest first before we proceed in that direction.
Best,
Luckie.
Hi Luckie (and others!),
Hope you’re all having a great weekend!
I agree that this dialogue is healthy and important. I just wanted to clarify a couple of points, which perhaps I should have made clearer in my initial email. I’ll be able to offer a fuller response to anybody on Monday, but this should take us forward for now. I don’t normally work on Saturdays, but I wanted to get back to you all on this since it’s an important matter to me.
First of all, I certainly do not see African-American genealogy simply as a ’sub-group’, but rather as part of the whole genealogy community. I should have perhaps made this clearer in my email, but I tried to emphasize that while there are many ways to make subdivisions which we can use for descriptive purposes (e.g. Jewish genealogy, Anglo-Irish genealogy), these are all ultimately part of the same community. These categorizations are useful in the sense that they highlight shared experience, but they should not divide us. This is the point I was trying to make in the second paragraph of my email (see below for those not initial recipients). Basically, I think we’re on the same page here.
I can understand your more general concerns, but I want to re-emphasize that our list was created with the idea of wide representation in mind. That’s why we included African-American authors in our list, as well as blogs and sites from many nationalities and many backgrounds, and sites of different types (not only blogs but family sites, one-name studies, informational sites, and more). That’s also why we extended the search beyond the English-speaking community, and towards those in German, Spanish, French, Portuguese, Italian, Russian, Swedish, Czech, Dutch, and more! This was not some one-size-fits-all competition, and our search was intended to be as inclusive as possible. We absolutely do not approach these things from an exclusive mindset, and as a company we place a strong emphasis on inclusivity, and try to make genealogy available and enjoyable for people of all backgrounds. Was it a perfect process? Perhaps not. But we certainly did try.
Having said that, I’m definitely in favor of giving the African-American genealogy community the exposure it deserves, and that’s why I’m pushing to run this series of articles on it. I hope this will offer a great showcase for some of the fantastic sites that are out there, and will also give substantial depth in its coverage – allowing others to see the work you’re doing in a detailed way, and actually in a way that a mere listing might not provide. I’m more than happy to collaborate with any and all of you on this.
Basically, I think we’re on the same side in this. I’ve taken your points on board, and I’d like to offer these articles as a way to showcase some of the great work you’re doing. At the same time, I do want to make it clear that as a company we always have diversity and representation close to heart, and that even if some would argue the list is imperfect in this regard, it is not a concern we neglected. We’ve had emails in from many corners querying aspects of the selection, and when all is said and done we could not showcase all of the great sites that were out there in the list – there are simply too many sites and not enough space. What we can do is try and offer the best exposure to sites where it matters going forward, and I hope our articles on the African-American genealogy community will help to do this.
It’s certainly an interesting topic and discussion for me, since as an Englishman I’m learning more and more about many of the complexities of the American genealogy community every day.
Have a great rest of the weekend folks. The weather’s actually good in England right now (not a common occurrence!), so I’m going to go and enjoy it.
Best wishes,
____________